http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/feed/? Latest topics Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:39:54 GMT 10 http://illiweb.com/fa/subsilver/logo_en.gif http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/feed/? http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/meaning-of-virtually-certain-ball-lost-in-water-hazard-t86.htm golferrc Pat, You just had to ask, didn't you ?!! I knew someone would sooner or later! This is one of those questions where I would probably be better off just giving you the USGA response and leave it at that, but you know I hate to do that. So...I'll reply in two ways - one simply with how the USGA describes it, and a bit more with examples and situations I've seen. A little history on why this term "virtually certain" came about - the USGA felt that there was just too much leeway in ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:39:54 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/meaning-of-virtually-certain-ball-lost-in-water-hazard-t86.htm#269 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/meaning-of-virtually-certain-ball-lost-in-water-hazard-t86.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-usga-decisions-changes-frequent-topics-t84.htm golferrc To All - Thought I would just put in a note about 2010 Rules and Decisions. 2010 is not a Rules change year, ( that won't happen until 2012 ) but there were numerous new Decisions and revised Decisions. There really aren't any earth shattering changes though, but if you get a chance you should review them if you haven't already. I thought I should list a couple of items I was asked numerous times throughout last season and remind players to know how to proceed on one particular topic. ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:13:29 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-usga-decisions-changes-frequent-topics-t84.htm#265 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-usga-decisions-changes-frequent-topics-t84.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/power-rankings-t85.htm charliecheaney I decided to start the debate on who might win the flight chase cups this year. There are a ton of guys returning from last year and quite a few rookies as well. So I am making my predictions here before the start of the season. You might see some other posts later on with adjusted power rankings for each flight. Can anyone tell I have a little bit too much time on my hands today? My power rankings for each flight! Champ. Chris Tutle, Tony Mauro, Jeff Hawkins, A. Brian Layne, David ... Questions and Comments about our Tour. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 19:35:41 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/power-rankings-t85.htm#267 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/power-rankings-t85.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-concerns-f2/acai-berry-t82.htm nutcracker8787 Acai Berry diet really works and if the Acai Berry pills worth the money.Thanks]]> Questions & Concerns Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:02:14 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-concerns-f2/acai-berry-t82.htm#258 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-concerns-f2/acai-berry-t82.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/your-thoughts-on-stableford-t79.htm Admin Eagles, Birdies, Pars, etc are all worth points and this could be a great event.

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Lyle Joyner
Tour Director]]> Questions and Comments about our Tour. Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:16:36 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/your-thoughts-on-stableford-t79.htm#250 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/your-thoughts-on-stableford-t79.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-vsga-mapga-rules-of-golf-workshop-t81.htm golferrc The VSGA will be hold a Rules of Golf Workshop this Saturday, Feb 13th @ PA Country Club in Virginia Beach. These workshops are open to anyone. The cost is $60 and includes a continental breakfast, lunch, refreshments and a complimentary Rules of Golf book. Go to the VSGA website for a registration form and more information. This is the only workshop currently scheduled in this area this year. Next weekend the workshop will be in Richmond at Willow Oaks Country Club. http://www.vsga.org/ Rulz ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Fri, 12 Feb 2010 03:06:08 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-vsga-mapga-rules-of-golf-workshop-t81.htm#257 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/2010-vsga-mapga-rules-of-golf-workshop-t81.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-change-to-handicap-postings-t80.htm golferrc To all, For those of you who keep an "official" USGA handicap, I thought you would like to know about a recent change made by the VSGA regarding posting scores in the state of Virginia. In the past, scores made on courses in Virginia during the months of Dec through Feb were in the "inactive" season, and were not to be posted. For 2010 this has now changed, and eligible scores for rounds played in Virginia will be acceptable for posting year-round. I am copy/pasting the ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:20:15 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-change-to-handicap-postings-t80.htm#256 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-change-to-handicap-postings-t80.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/tidewater-amateur-golf-tour-senior-players-t78.htm mikebeckes Are we serious about accommodating senior players (ages 55+)? Can we do it without creating a separate tour? I think so. Here's some background. Course length for the Champions Tour is 6400-6800 yards. Course length for the PGA Tour is typically 7100 yards. Champions Tour course length is 90% of that for the PGA Tour. Here's a fairly wide spread rule of thumb for determining appropriate course length: multiply 5-iron distance by 36. I am a D Flight senior who hits my 5-iron 150 yards. That ... Questions and Comments about our Tour. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:10:54 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/tidewater-amateur-golf-tour-senior-players-t78.htm#247 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/tidewater-amateur-golf-tour-senior-players-t78.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/2010-tour-special-from-zeus-t77.htm zeus Tidewater Tour members, I want to give you all a heads up on a special I'm doing for you guys for the 2010 season: As you know I've been a sponsor for the tour for the last couple of years and I'm proud to be with you guys once again for 2010. I'm looking forward to the competition on the winter and summer tours, the VALA (if I make it this year), and taking home the trophy for Team Tidewater in Hilton Head. Some of you might already have someone you work with or may not have even ... Questions and Comments about our Tour. Tue, 17 Nov 2009 01:04:04 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/2010-tour-special-from-zeus-t77.htm#244 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/2010-tour-special-from-zeus-t77.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/golf-magazine-rules-column-i-think-they-got-this-one-wrong-t67.htm golferrc Hey everyone. I'm guessing many of our Tour players read magazines like Golf or Golf Digest, and check out the rules columns while reading it. In the September issue of Golf Magazine, I am virtually certain (that's a golf phrase for those who of you who recognize it ) they made a mistake with one of their answers. I know Jim G checks these posts out, so Jim if you disagree, please let me know. Here is what they printed: Situation. A player drops a ball under Rule 26-1b because he is virtually ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Fri, 14 Aug 2009 02:15:28 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/golf-magazine-rules-column-i-think-they-got-this-one-wrong-t67.htm#211 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/golf-magazine-rules-column-i-think-they-got-this-one-wrong-t67.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/d-flight-at-hilton-head-t73.htm HFRichards For those D Flighters who are interested. This is a new posting on the FAQ for the Tour Championships at Hilton Head. This is huge. Last year we [D flight] were not represented in the Team Standing points. This year we are. Frequently asked Questions How is the Team Cup score calculated? The best 2 scores from each flight are added up from both days for an overall total. Note: For the first time ever the "D" Flight scores will also be added into the team total! Defending ... Questions and Comments about our Tour. Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:33:42 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/d-flight-at-hilton-head-t73.htm#226 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/d-flight-at-hilton-head-t73.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/dan-s-promotion-t72.htm LeroyH CONGRATULATIONS to Dan Madson for advancing to the Championship flight.

"B" Flight player trying to advance,
Leroy H]]> Questions and Comments about our Tour. Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:37:03 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/dan-s-promotion-t72.htm#225 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/dan-s-promotion-t72.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-2-t71.htm golferrc Second topic - and this is a simple thing but it surprises most golfers. The flagstick was in the cup and a player chipped his ball onto the green and it came to rest within inches of the cup. The player went to tap in his putt, pulled the flagstick out and held it out of the cup in one hand, and went to tap in his putt (with his putter of course) with the other hand. Another player came up to hold the flagstick though, as he thought the player was not allowed to hold the flagstick while ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 15 Sep 2009 01:14:00 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-2-t71.htm#224 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-2-t71.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-1-t70.htm golferrc To All, The Rulz Guy had just two topics from this weekend, both fairly common but one with an answer which surprises most golfers. Situation 1 : A golfer marked the position of their ball properly on the putting green. The player replaced the ball, and while picking up the marker from behind the ball, the golfer accidentally moved the ball. The player replaced the ball to its' original position and played it from there. The question to me was whether the player incurred a penalty for ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:59:36 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-1-t70.htm#223 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/chase-cup-rulings-post-1-t70.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/16-at-firestone-t65.htm snuffyword Roger, Please explain to me why Padraig Harrington dropped behind the pond in the fairway on #16. His third shot was in the rough in the back of the green. He hit his 4th shot back to the pin but the ball went into the pond protecting the front of the green. I saw yellow stakes and yellow line outlining the pond. What were his options to play his 6th shot after a penalty drop? I thought he could have dropped from where it went into the pond or dropped where he played his 4th shot, in ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:26:38 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/16-at-firestone-t65.htm#205 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/16-at-firestone-t65.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-2-t62.htm golferrc The following happened on Saturday at Eagle Haven. This was on hole # 10, our final hole. I hit my approach shot to the left of the green, and it appeared to me to land in the rough between the bunker and the trees on the left, but definitely over the water. We searched for my ball but did not find it, and while we were doing so one of the players saw that the woods were marked with a red stake, as a lateral hazard. I took a drop and basically chunked my chip shot. In thinking about ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:57:27 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-2-t62.htm#200 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-2-t62.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-1-t61.htm golferrc Greetings everyone, The following occurred to a player in my group on Saturday. A basic wrong ball situation that is worthy of going over. A player hit his tee shot a bit to the left on the dogleg left # 17. The player found what he thought was his ball in the rough and proceeded to hit that ball into the water on the left side of the hole. The player took a drop from the lateral water hazard, and hit the ball onto the green. At that point the player believed he was lying 4 on the ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 27 Jul 2009 22:57:09 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-1-t61.htm#199 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/eagle-haven-rulings-post-1-t61.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/ball-in-motion-deflected-handicap-note-t60.htm golferrc Most of you probably know the answer to this one. but how and what happened and the final result were pretty interesting, so I thought I'd pass it on. Four players were playing a par four. Two players hit their approach shot on the green, the third player came up short, and the fourth player then hit his shot. The fourth player's shot landed on the green, struck one of the balls on the green ( and moved that ball a few feet ) and then the player's ball proceeded to roll into the cup. Was ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:35:13 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/ball-in-motion-deflected-handicap-note-t60.htm#197 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/ball-in-motion-deflected-handicap-note-t60.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/laser-range-finders-t57.htm HFRichards
Thank you,
Harry Richards]]> Questions and Comments about our Tour. Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:08:30 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/laser-range-finders-t57.htm#192 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-and-comments-about-our-tour-f1/laser-range-finders-t57.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-2-cart-path-where-to-drop-t49.htm golferrc I had a few Rules inquiries this weekeend so I thought I would share them with everyone. Cart Path Relief / Where to Drop A player's ball lay on a cart path and the player was entitled to relief from the path under Rule 24 - Obstructions. I could write pages on the correct procedure for cart path relief, but I will try to keep this as brief as possible, and describe how I think some players think they should proceed, and how the procedure should take place. This ball happened to ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 08 Jun 2009 18:40:19 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-2-cart-path-where-to-drop-t49.htm#180 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-2-cart-path-where-to-drop-t49.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-1-embedded-ball-t48.htm golferrc I had a few rules inquiries from our tournament this weekend, so I thought I would share them with everyone. Embedded Ball: A player had an embedded ball, took relief and wanted to know if they proceeded correctly. Under Rule 25 - 3, the ball may be lifted, cleaned and dropped without penalty, as near as possible to the spot where it lay but not nearer the hole. Two things to note about that simple explanation: First note that it says the ball has to be dropped, not placed. ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 08 Jun 2009 17:57:04 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-1-embedded-ball-t48.htm#179 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/tidewater-masters-rules-questions-post-1-embedded-ball-t48.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/removing-the-ball-from-the-hole-t37.htm gotogoin During play on Saturday a ball was chipped into the hole from off the green. Since we were already talking about different rules, I relayed the fact that removing the ball using the flagstick was a penalty. No one believed me and thought I was kidding.
They even asked the Pro after the round and he told them it was not a penalty, he said once the ball was in the hole it was over. Have I been wrong about this?
Regards,
Bill Goldston]]> Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:18:12 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/removing-the-ball-from-the-hole-t37.htm#142 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/removing-the-ball-from-the-hole-t37.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/caddy-shack-rules-t38.htm gotogoin Hey Roger, Here’s a funny one for you... During play over a Red Wing on the 6th Hole my tee shot hit a tree, bounced off the weather shelter and came to rest next to the portable toilet and the new protective wind fence. I could address the ball between the fence and the toilet but the toilet “temporary obstruction” interfered with my backswing. Was I entitled to relief from both the toilet and the fence if it was outside of two clubs???? I know its hard to believe that I miss hit a tee ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 07 Apr 2009 00:56:04 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/caddy-shack-rules-t38.htm#143 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/caddy-shack-rules-t38.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/even-professional-tour-officials-make-mistakes-sometimes-t36.htm golferrc Some of you may have been watching the LPGA Championship on Friday, and perhaps saw an incident which occurred, and coincidentally nearly the same thing happened in my group at Nansemond on Saturday. Please read the following from the LPGA, and it is important to note that in this case the player had NOT yet addressed the ball on the putting green. Statement from Doug Brecht, LPGA vice president rules and competition : “During the second round of the Kraft Nabisco Championship, Ji Young ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:55:57 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/even-professional-tour-officials-make-mistakes-sometimes-t36.htm#141 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/even-professional-tour-officials-make-mistakes-sometimes-t36.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/adjustable-clubs-new-taylor-made-r9-driver-t34.htm golferrc Players, Did you see the Arnold Palmer Invitational tournament win by Tiger this weekend? Amazing!! During the tournament we saw commercials advertising the new R9 driver by Taylor Made, which allows the player to adjust specs such as loft and face angle (open / closed). Could a player use these features during a round? For example, let's say the wind picks up during a round and a player wants to keep his drives down in the wind, so he prefers to adjust his new driver during the round ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 30 Mar 2009 00:39:59 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/adjustable-clubs-new-taylor-made-r9-driver-t34.htm#134 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/adjustable-clubs-new-taylor-made-r9-driver-t34.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/water-hazards-at-kilmarlic-t32.htm golferrc Hope everyone has a great day at Kilmarlic! If you've played the coure or are familiar with it, you are bound to know there are quite a few water hazards. I thought it would be good to review some of the basics on how to proceed. If you are a non-committee member, I will tell you that most of the committee members are now very familiar with how to proceed, so if you have a question, seek one of them out. You could always print this note too, just in case someone questions how you proceed. This ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:50:57 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/water-hazards-at-kilmarlic-t32.htm#127 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/water-hazards-at-kilmarlic-t32.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/distractions-t29.htm golferrc Golfers, At a recent meeting we were discussing how we would deal with cell phones in 2009. I would ask that everyone please check out the review of the tour policy which the committee approved and Jim has worked very hard on incorporating into the 2009 Tour Manual regarding cell phone use on the course. What was asked of me though wasn't what the new penalty was - what I was asked was if the player who got "distracted" from a cell phone ringing was able to replay his shot ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:13:25 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/distractions-t29.htm#117 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/distractions-t29.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/14-club-rule-t3.htm golferrc During our recent Tour meeting, the 14 Club Rule was briefly discussed. I overheard someone mention that prior to beginning their round, if they had an excess club(s), as long as they declared them out of play prior to their round, removed them from their bag and placed them elsewhere in the cart, this would be OK and there would be no penalty under Rule 4. Actually, that is not the case - please see Decision 4-4c/1, which covers this exact topic. 4-4c/1 Excess Club Declared Out of Play ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:07 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/14-club-rule-t3.htm#3 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/14-club-rule-t3.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-rules-seminar-tagt-workshop-t6.htm golferrc The VSGA ( Virginia State Golf Association ) has announced their schedule for 2009 Rules workshops. The closest one for this area will be at Elizabeth Manor on Saturday, March 21st. I know this conflicts with the same date as our first tournament for 2009, but I thought I would pass it on just in case anyone might want to attend. There is also a seminar to be held in Richmond on Feb 21st. http://www.vsga.org/ http://www.vsga.org/article.asp?ID=8701 The VSGA also offers 90-minute ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Mon, 05 Jan 2009 15:40:24 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-rules-seminar-tagt-workshop-t6.htm#11 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/vsga-rules-seminar-tagt-workshop-t6.htm http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/pro-v1-debate-t5.htm tee2green I heard the other day that due to the decision in favor of Callaway against Accushnet that resulted in Pro V1's being removed from the shelf, that Pro V1's will not be allowed to be used in tournament play. Accushnet is replacing the "old" Pro V's with new Pro V's that do not conflict with patent rights held by Callaway for 2009, but this leaves a lot of "old" Pro V's out there that are in question. I could not find anything in the decision or any ruling by USGA ... Questions about the Rules of Golf Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:24:38 GMT http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/pro-v1-debate-t5.htm#8 http://tourtalk.nice-forum.net/questions-about-the-rules-of-golf-f3/pro-v1-debate-t5.htm